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romney outperformed, obama underperformed. if nothing else there will be a natural regression to the mean. plus, the expectations for obama going in were way out of whack and now they've certainly been adjusted. still feeling sad? okay. i am, too. but, again, we're going to be fine. just take a look at the president today. >> the real mitt romney said we don't need any more teachers in our classrooms. but don't boo, vote. but the fellow on stage last night, he loves teachers. can't get enough of them. >> see, look, there's the guy i love, confident, funny, relaxed. he's probably relieved that that first one is over. now he knows that romney is going to discard his long touted tax plan. he knows romney is going to come super aggressive. and the president has also likely remembered how effective it is to remind voters about romney's incredible divisive comments about 47% of america. besides, despite the ups and downs of this campaign, the good dnc and the bad job noms, the secret romney videos, this race has remained remarkably
romney outperformed, obama underperformed. if nothing else there will be a natural regression to the mean. plus, the expectations for obama going in were way out of whack and now they've certainly been adjusted. still feeling sad? okay. i am, too. but, again, we're going to be fine. just take a look at the president today. >> the real mitt romney said we don't need any more teachers in our classrooms. but don't boo, vote. but the fellow on stage last night, he loves teachers. can't get...
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more florida shenanigans, we have a video of a romney volunteer down there saying that president obama is a muslim. it was picked up by an answering machine after the volunteer didn't hang up before moving on to her next call. the clip aired in tampa on a radio station, wmmf. nbc news hasn't independently authenticated the audio. >> well, he is a muslim. that's push polling. you pretend to be polling and all you're doing is putting out the word the guy is a communist. >> would you vote for someone who believes in communist. we're taking a survey. we've been talking about this for a couple years. for some reason the republican party and their conservative allies can't get away from describing obama as muslim, not born here, not believing in america. >> i know, i know, i know this is what they do. the head of florida's gop where the call appears to originate told "the st. augustine record," it was off script completely. we have everything scripted. those are clearly not the views of the republican party of clay county or the mitt romney campaign. they did not deny the incident. this whol
more florida shenanigans, we have a video of a romney volunteer down there saying that president obama is a muslim. it was picked up by an answering machine after the volunteer didn't hang up before moving on to her next call. the clip aired in tampa on a radio station, wmmf. nbc news hasn't independently authenticated the audio. >> well, he is a muslim. that's push polling. you pretend to be polling and all you're doing is putting out the word the guy is a communist. >> would you...
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governor charlie crist will join me next. >>> plus, the united states relationship in the middle east are being tested. we have reporters on the ground across the region. >>> but first a look ahead at the schedule of president obama and mitt romney. president obama in las vegas. don't be surprised if you see him. he has no public events but bet we see him go get a hamburger or something and mitt romney has rally tonight when he gets to denver. that's where we're going to be tonight. you're watch dnd only on nbc. overmany discounts to thine customers! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare. oh, you have any of those homeowners discounts? here we go. thank you. he took my shield, my lady. these are troubling times in the kingdom. more discounts than we knoweth what to do with. now that's progressive. >>> the florida republican party has filed around election complaint against a firm that the republican national committe
governor charlie crist will join me next. >>> plus, the united states relationship in the middle east are being tested. we have reporters on the ground across the region. >>> but first a look ahead at the schedule of president obama and mitt romney. president obama in las vegas. don't be surprised if you see him. he has no public events but bet we see him go get a hamburger or something and mitt romney has rally tonight when he gets to denver. that's where we're going to be...
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thomas roberts is up next. >>> good morning to you. the agenda next hour, great expectations. the 2012 presidential debate. mitt romney and president obama face off in denver tomorrow night. who will bring the rocky mountain highs and lows? and our panel power will weigh in on that. >>> both sides brought the heat last night in boston in the second senate debate between scott brown and elizabeth warren. was there a clear winner? >>> just days away from the election, a judge halted pennsylvania's tough new voter i.d. law. the legal battle is far from over. philly mayor if michael nutter and ed rendell join me live. >>> andrew rosenwach is the fourth generation owner of water tanks. today these tanks are shaped by hand with half century-old tools. he says you don't throw out what works you build upon it. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all
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up next, new reports say romney's advisers are divided over whether to attack president obama over libya or stay focused on the economy? this as the obama administration is still under fire over its response to the deadly attacks in libya and over secity concerns at the consulate even before the attack. former state department official joel ruben will join me live. first, there's a lot going on today. here are things we thought you should know. florida's republican party is filing an a elections fraud complaint after finding suspicious voter forms in even more counties in the state. as many as ten is the new number. the forms are tied to the strategic allied consulting, a firm hired by the republican party in that state to register voters. the firm has been fired. it has also done voter drives in colorado, nevada, north carolina and virginia. the white house says a cyber attack on its computer system never posed any threat to the classified information. officials say the attack was ultimately foiled and no data was stolen. >>> new york city police dropped assault charges against a congre
up next, new reports say romney's advisers are divided over whether to attack president obama over libya or stay focused on the economy? this as the obama administration is still under fire over its response to the deadly attacks in libya and over secity concerns at the consulate even before the attack. former state department official joel ruben will join me live. first, there's a lot going on today. here are things we thought you should know. florida's republican party is filing an a...
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but right now the obama campaign is solidly and consistently ahead. tactically what that means is the obama campaign has to convert being ahead in people's preferences to actual votes. since they are clearly ahead, a good time to get those votes cast is right now. because thanks to early voting, people are casting ballots right now. so this lead that they have now in the polls can be banked. it can be turned into actual votes while they're still ahead, even if they don't end up being this far ahead by election day. iowa became the first swing state in the nation where voters are actually voting early in person. iowa has interesting rules where if you get enough signatures from your area, you can ask to have a pop-up popping place, sort of like if food places offered voting. obama voters asked for a pop-up voting place at the university of northern iowa. they had the first lady at the go vote now event. they had the first lady speak and they had the university marching band lead people from the audience of the first lady's speech directly to the voting
but right now the obama campaign is solidly and consistently ahead. tactically what that means is the obama campaign has to convert being ahead in people's preferences to actual votes. since they are clearly ahead, a good time to get those votes cast is right now. because thanks to early voting, people are casting ballots right now. so this lead that they have now in the polls can be banked. it can be turned into actual votes while they're still ahead, even if they don't end up being this far...
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they need the stage, they need to be up there, elevated, standing next to president obama to convince people to change their minds and give governor romney a second look. >> you mentioned the plane yesterday. i understand that the governor was also passing around a whole bunch of beef jerky. did you get some of the jerky, sir? did you get any of the beef jerky? >> i did get the beef jerky. if i've learned one thing, it's never pass up the opportunity to get something to eat. >> garrett hake, traveling with the romney campaign. as always, i appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. >>> an unemployment rate above 8%. more than half the country saying that they're worse off today than they were four years ago, in a new cnbc poll, and a national deficit that will pass the $1 trillion mark tomorrow for the fiscal year for the fourth straight year. conventional wisdom saying that president obama should be losing, but there's a slew of national and swing state polls that show president obama building a small lead against republican rival mitt romney. joining me now, tameka simms, and lynn sweet.
they need the stage, they need to be up there, elevated, standing next to president obama to convince people to change their minds and give governor romney a second look. >> you mentioned the plane yesterday. i understand that the governor was also passing around a whole bunch of beef jerky. did you get some of the jerky, sir? did you get any of the beef jerky? >> i did get the beef jerky. if i've learned one thing, it's never pass up the opportunity to get something to eat....
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the next four years, if president obama is president obama again, what does the next four years look like in terms of his legislative priorities? >> the next four years is continuing on the path to growing this economy from the middle class out, investing in infrastructure, education, energy, implementing obamacare. there are many aspects left to be implemented so that all americans can fully realize the promise that was built by obamacare. so we are very excited about the next four years should president obama win, and we believe he will. >> thanks so much. appreciate your time on this sunday afternoon. >> thank you so much for having me. >>> everyone remembers the slogan "we like ike," but what does the former military general have in common with president obama? and what can mitt romney learn from him? the man who wrote the book on ike joining us up next. >>> plus, get aggressive or play defense? >> are you ready? >> i'm looking forward to the debates. i'll put it that way. >> we will break down debate strategy with our sunday brain trusts. well, i had all the classic symptoms...
the next four years, if president obama is president obama again, what does the next four years look like in terms of his legislative priorities? >> the next four years is continuing on the path to growing this economy from the middle class out, investing in infrastructure, education, energy, implementing obamacare. there are many aspects left to be implemented so that all americans can fully realize the promise that was built by obamacare. so we are very excited about the next four years...
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will president obama play it safe and perhaps president obama go on the attack? questions and answerings coming up next. and every footstep should tell us we made the right decision. so when we can feel our way through the newest, softest, and most colorful options... ...across every possible price range... ...our budgets won't be picking the style. we will. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. right now get $37 basic installation on all special order carpet. i just wish...
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we'll talk to his top adviser kevin madden coming up next on "andrea mitchell reports." [ male announcer ] this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. campbell's. "there's stylish." "there's functional." "and then, there's both." "erika tsubaki is a big fan of both." "that's what she and her team had in mind when they designed the all new ford escape." "with more cargo space than before, wrapped in a brand new body." "the tech-savvy, ready-for-adventure, all new, twenty thirteen ford escape." "it's what happens when you go further." >>> when president obama and governor romney take the stage in denver tomorrow, it's going to be their first time meeting in -- first face-to-face meeting in nearly five y
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richard wolffe and alex wagner will join me for a debate preview, next. >>> the obama campaign launches a new ad targeting mitt romney's investment in china with bain capital. we'll have the response and talk with ohio senator sherrod brown. >>> and a big day for swing state voters. early voting begins in ohio and a pennsylvania court blocks a voter i.d. law. all the details. share your thoughts on facebook and on twitter using the #edshow. >>> thanks for watching "the ed show." mitt romney is running behind in the polls. he needs to bring his a game tomorrow night. does he has have a game? romney has an uphill climb on his hands. no doubt about it. the comments about the 47% has done some real damage to the campaign. >> that infamous piece of tape is being given analysis by the american people. >> that infamous piece of tape is being given analysis by the american people. the latest poll shows just 23% of likely voters say romney's comments made them think more positively about the candidate. 45% said it made them feel more negatively about mitt romney. romney senior adviser ed gillesp
richard wolffe and alex wagner will join me for a debate preview, next. >>> the obama campaign launches a new ad targeting mitt romney's investment in china with bain capital. we'll have the response and talk with ohio senator sherrod brown. >>> and a big day for swing state voters. early voting begins in ohio and a pennsylvania court blocks a voter i.d. law. all the details. share your thoughts on facebook and on twitter using the #edshow. >>> thanks for watching...
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richard wolffe and alex wagner will join me for a debate preview, next. >>> the obama campaign launches a new ad targeting mitt romney's investment in china with bain capital. we'll have the response and talk with ohio senator sherrod brown. >>> and a big day for swing state voters. early voting begins in ohio and a pennsylvania court blocks a voter i.d. law. all the details. share your thoughts on facebook and on twitter using the #edshow. s dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. woman: what do you mean, homeowners insurance doesn't cover floods? [ heart rate increases ] man: a few inches of water caused all this? [ heart rate increases ] woman #2: but i don't even live near the water. what you don't know about flood insurance may shock you -- including the fact that a preferred risk policy starts as low as $129 a year. for an agent, call the number that appears on your screen. >>> thanks for watching "the e
richard wolffe and alex wagner will join me for a debate preview, next. >>> the obama campaign launches a new ad targeting mitt romney's investment in china with bain capital. we'll have the response and talk with ohio senator sherrod brown. >>> and a big day for swing state voters. early voting begins in ohio and a pennsylvania court blocks a voter i.d. law. all the details. share your thoughts on facebook and on twitter using the #edshow. s dream... ♪ into a scooter that...
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but it's a mistake of the obama campaign to underestimate us." what campaigns presidential and otherwise are the most tech savvy? and how will that advantage translate into votes in the next 37 days? joining me now is amy jo martin, founder and ceo of the social media consult tan si, digital royalty and author of a new book coming out tuesday. renegades write the rules. how the digital royalty used social media to innovate. joining her or gentleman ma'am simpsons and katon dawson. amy, what is an effective use of social media by a presidential campaign? >> it's all about humanizing their brand. there are so many different channels and forums that can be used to get their messaging across. at the end of the day, who is the individual behind that voice and with celebrities that we've worked with in the past, shaquille o'neil for example. humans connect with humans, not logos or robots, right? so social is such a great tool for doing just that. it's scaleable to your point earlier. there are no boundaries. and from a technology standpoint, we're onl
but it's a mistake of the obama campaign to underestimate us." what campaigns presidential and otherwise are the most tech savvy? and how will that advantage translate into votes in the next 37 days? joining me now is amy jo martin, founder and ceo of the social media consult tan si, digital royalty and author of a new book coming out tuesday. renegades write the rules. how the digital royalty used social media to innovate. joining her or gentleman ma'am simpsons and katon dawson. amy,...
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richard wolffe and alex wagner will join me for a debate preview, next. >>> the obama campaign launches a new ad targeting mitt romney's investment in china with bain capital. we'll have the response and talk with ohio senator sherrod brown. >>> and a big day for swing state voters. early voting begins in ohio and a pennsylvania court blocks a voter i.d. law. all the details. share your thoughts on facebook and on twitter using the #edshow. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about low-cost investing. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 at schwab, we're committed to offering you tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 low-cost investment options-- tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 like our exchange traded funds, or etfs tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 which now have the lowest tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 operating expenses tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 in their respective tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 lipper categories. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 lower than spdr tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and even lower than vanguard. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 that means with schwab, tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 your portfolio has tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 a better chance to g
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lawrence o'donnell asked martin o'malley what president obama should do next time he faces mitt romney in a debate? >> i think the president has to keep doing what he's doing. be truthful about why he made the choices he made. keep talking about the fact we are moving forward, not back with positive job growth. he has to continue to press governor romney that he's not putting forth the specifics of how he would do the various things he promised. it is a choice right now between two alternatives. i think problem's is based on the reality of the decisions we must make together as a people if we want a better and stronger economy. don't miss lawrence o'donnell on msnbc, the place for politics. here is a look at other news. in south carolina, a violent attack caught on camera. a convicted robbery defendant surprised his public defender with a roundhouse hit in the face after getting a 15-year sentence. he was left with a bloody mouth. he had an additional six months tacked on to the sentence. >>> the trend of criminal behavior continues in florida. a man with a machete came into the police
lawrence o'donnell asked martin o'malley what president obama should do next time he faces mitt romney in a debate? >> i think the president has to keep doing what he's doing. be truthful about why he made the choices he made. keep talking about the fact we are moving forward, not back with positive job growth. he has to continue to press governor romney that he's not putting forth the specifics of how he would do the various things he promised. it is a choice right now between two...
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president obama will be much more prepared and pay more attention next time. one point we should point out i think, the vice presidential debate scheduled for next week is always nearly kind of a throwaway. people watch but don't pay much attention to it. the stakes are raised now for the paul ryan versus joe biden debate. the obama campaign i don't think can afford the perception that they lost two in a row. i would think vice president joe biden's fingernails are beginning to sweat about next wednesday because he's somewhat in the same position as president obama. he's been vice president in for four years. had a lot of things going. been a long time since he's debated. paul ryan has been in the cut and thrust of congress, to be better prepared. however, ryan is in the shoes president obama was in last night and the expectations are high for ryan. i think most people feel that paul ryan will walk joe biden's dog in this debate, and that's a down for him. i would venture that the vice presidential debate may get the largest audience of any vice presidential d
president obama will be much more prepared and pay more attention next time. one point we should point out i think, the vice presidential debate scheduled for next week is always nearly kind of a throwaway. people watch but don't pay much attention to it. the stakes are raised now for the paul ryan versus joe biden debate. the obama campaign i don't think can afford the perception that they lost two in a row. i would think vice president joe biden's fingernails are beginning to sweat about next...
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"way too early" with willie geist is next. >>> tonight's the night, president obama, mitt romney will stand together on the same stage for the first time in this long campaign as they debate in denver. the question is, can either candidate move the meter with a big piece of the country tuning in or are we asking too much of a single debate? we'll find out tonight. >>> a battle of dualing videos from the vault. president obama in 2007 telling an audience of african-american ministers that the federal government didn't care as much about katrina victims than it does other disasters. and paul ryan declaring that 70% of the americans want the american dream. the others want the welfare state. the question is do either of these impact the way voter
"way too early" with willie geist is next. >>> tonight's the night, president obama, mitt romney will stand together on the same stage for the first time in this long campaign as they debate in denver. the question is, can either candidate move the meter with a big piece of the country tuning in or are we asking too much of a single debate? we'll find out tonight. >>> a battle of dualing videos from the vault. president obama in 2007 telling an audience of...
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he keeps this act up or will we have to fight a tougher fight with obama in the next rounded? michael steele is here with us and cynthia tucker is here as well. thank you, cynthia and michael, there's an old tradition in politics you go to the fringe or hard left or right to win the caucuses and start to move slowly, the big battleship around so by labor day you're ready to confront the enemy at the center. he didn't do that. he stayed right through the summer and masterfully, wednesday, started to go i'm for pre-existing condition coverage, i'm for education and all this good stuff. >> i think part of that, you're right, in your analysis there. that's what happens politically. i think for the romney campaign they took that strategy, elongated it because they had shoring up to do with their base. >> can you pull it off? can you make that switcharoo in september. >> i think you can. >> or october rather. >> i think you can. number one. number two, we saw obama do the same thing. he was to hillary's left, brought it around, started quoting reagan in the fall, started sounding re
he keeps this act up or will we have to fight a tougher fight with obama in the next rounded? michael steele is here with us and cynthia tucker is here as well. thank you, cynthia and michael, there's an old tradition in politics you go to the fringe or hard left or right to win the caucuses and start to move slowly, the big battleship around so by labor day you're ready to confront the enemy at the center. he didn't do that. he stayed right through the summer and masterfully, wednesday,...
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all obama has to do is have testosterone in the next debate. >> i think we see the new romney and he's going to be great. i think the president, just like reagan in '84, we keep saying it, just like, you know, george w. in '04. >> it's teed up. >> look, they're still looking at baseball cards. >> nolan ryan, mookie wilson. >> i never got baseball cards when i was -- >> mookie acquired his nickname from his grandmother. >> all right. >>> up next, "mad money's" jim cramer joins us on set. >> that's big. jim cramer, man. it doesn't get any bigger than that. >> cramer! >>> beautiful shot of the sunrise and a plane taking off in washington, d.c. welcome back to "morning joe." 23 past the hour. that was pretty. >> could have been t.j. thank you, t.j. >> here with us now, the host of "mad money," jim cramer. i don't know if he's mad. he's feeling pretty good. >> so jim, what are we going to see at 8:30? i mean, we're not going to -- not going to get great news, are we? >> is it going to be bad? >> a lot of industries not hiring. a lot of industries still cutting back. of course the government
all obama has to do is have testosterone in the next debate. >> i think we see the new romney and he's going to be great. i think the president, just like reagan in '84, we keep saying it, just like, you know, george w. in '04. >> it's teed up. >> look, they're still looking at baseball cards. >> nolan ryan, mookie wilson. >> i never got baseball cards when i was -- >> mookie acquired his nickname from his grandmother. >> all right. >>> up...
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if the obama campaign can win the post debate they can make up some ground in the next couple of days in terms of what happened last night. >> and andrea, i don't disagree. i think the next couple of days are crucial for the romney campaign. they've got to put more meat on the bones and let people know his record in massachusetts has someone who could govern in a bipartisan way and get effective legislation done, that's important. telling the full story on taxes, how you don't want to have a big massive tax cut for rich people. if you get rid of that talking point for the democrats they that's a bonus for the romney campaign. the romney campaign has to be aggressive in the post debate setting to make sure that they are getting their points across because you know the obama team is going hard against them and this is where it's going to be won or lost. >> one of the things that mitt romney did last night, he was giving personal examples of speaking to this person who had a problem, or this person who had a problem, people he met along the trail. he talked about the suffering of the mid
if the obama campaign can win the post debate they can make up some ground in the next couple of days in terms of what happened last night. >> and andrea, i don't disagree. i think the next couple of days are crucial for the romney campaign. they've got to put more meat on the bones and let people know his record in massachusetts has someone who could govern in a bipartisan way and get effective legislation done, that's important. telling the full story on taxes, how you don't want to...
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that has helped the obama administration and the obama campaign define him and i think he pushed back against that with the humor. >> let me look forward and ask you, mark halperin, what do you anticipate coming up now? next week we've got the two vice presidents -- the vice president and his challenger paul ryan there and how about the town hall format for barack obama? the conventional wisdom has been because everybody has bill clinton in their mind that the democrat, president obama, will do better in the town hall relating and empathizing and showing he connects to people. i'm not so sure about this president. >> well, i'm not so sure, although both of them will be -- i think the strongest mitt romney has been in my experience as a presidential candidate on the debate the other night was the events he did in both cycles last campaign in 2008 and this one, his so-called ask mitt anything events where he did take questions from people. he showed humor and the kind of fluidness and personality that he showed in the depate ba in those events and people that think this format clearly f
that has helped the obama administration and the obama campaign define him and i think he pushed back against that with the humor. >> let me look forward and ask you, mark halperin, what do you anticipate coming up now? next week we've got the two vice presidents -- the vice president and his challenger paul ryan there and how about the town hall format for barack obama? the conventional wisdom has been because everybody has bill clinton in their mind that the democrat, president obama,...
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romney knows obama is coming in next time with a different approach. so that makes it a separate challenge and an additional challenge for obama. the other guy knows what he's going to do, he's going to be more aggressive. what does romney do next time to meet a more aggressive obama? mark? >> one thing, chris, i think that the obama campaign has kind of telegraphed their strategy by calling him the serial evader. i think they've already said that's going to be a strategy. >> is that healthy, to say you're going to prosecute or come in as a prosecutor? >> i think the romney campaign has a pretty good radar screen, and they have picked that up. i think they will have romney well-prepared for that. i also think it's going to be interesting with the town hall format because this is a very different kind of environment, and, you know, i think this is where romney is going to have to connect and feel people's pain, and so that's naturally something that obama does well. we'll see how well romney adapts to that environment. >> i'm hoping candy crowley gets m
romney knows obama is coming in next time with a different approach. so that makes it a separate challenge and an additional challenge for obama. the other guy knows what he's going to do, he's going to be more aggressive. what does romney do next time to meet a more aggressive obama? mark? >> one thing, chris, i think that the obama campaign has kind of telegraphed their strategy by calling him the serial evader. i think they've already said that's going to be a strategy. >> is...
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camp can win the next 24 hours. also tomorrow the labor department releases its monthly jobs report potentially, giving team obama a chance to change the narrative. let me bring in political editor -- senior political edit editor, mark murray. patrick gaspar was here a moment ago. he had the same strategy you pointed out earlier this morning. they're looking at the long picture or big picture here, and not focusing too much on the one debate. >> that's right. they tried to turn the message. they had an aggressive conference call today. you saw a fiery president obama campaigning in denver trying to point out what they said were misstatements that mitt romney made at the debate last night. so that's what they are actually trying to do. i will say as we wrote in first read, there is that kind of 24-hour period on how the campaigns can try to shake things. just seeing the body language, seeing a lot of the commentary, the obama campaign is still struggling. diana on andrea mitchell's program said president obama looked
camp can win the next 24 hours. also tomorrow the labor department releases its monthly jobs report potentially, giving team obama a chance to change the narrative. let me bring in political editor -- senior political edit editor, mark murray. patrick gaspar was here a moment ago. he had the same strategy you pointed out earlier this morning. they're looking at the long picture or big picture here, and not focusing too much on the one debate. >> that's right. they tried to turn the...
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we'll have more on all these stories throughout the next three hours. >>> president obama today keeping his focus on jobs, as we have mentioned. the september jobs report showed a drop in the unemployment rate to 7.8%. the president said in his weekly web address that the burden is on congress to keep the economy moving forward. nbc news white house correspondent, mike viqueira joins me now. mike, what more political fallout do you think we're going to see over the jobless numbers? >> reporter: the jobs report was both symbolic and substantiative. symbolic because it got below 8%, that's considered a threshold over which no president has ever been re-elected. and substantiative because it gets down to where the unemployment rate is -- was when president obama took office in january of 2009. and don't you know, melissa, yesterday at two campaign rallies in the battleground states of virginia and ohio, one each, the president pointed that out. here at the white house, at the campaign, campaign headquarters in chicago, they are certainly hopeful that this will change the narrative, stem so
we'll have more on all these stories throughout the next three hours. >>> president obama today keeping his focus on jobs, as we have mentioned. the september jobs report showed a drop in the unemployment rate to 7.8%. the president said in his weekly web address that the burden is on congress to keep the economy moving forward. nbc news white house correspondent, mike viqueira joins me now. mike, what more political fallout do you think we're going to see over the jobless numbers?...
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no one's talking about what we're going to do in the next couple years. usually it's the other way around with politicians. neither romney nor obama has told people here's how your life will be better if i'm elected president. >> or harder. >> there are some sacrifices, but those sacrifices are supposed to make it better. >> but we talked last night, mark, about candidates and leaders that tell the truth and how the truth works. but yet that doesn't seem -- not necessarily among the presidential candidates, i would say they skirt the hard truths. but there are candidates out there that are afraid to tell the truth as well. >> well, we talked about telling hard truths, and our hope was that given the nature of the challenges that we face right now, which we know are going to take some hard truths, there would be some discussion about that. and both campaigns, i think, largely have been trying to avoid that, playing it safer. and this is the time to have that dialogue. so hopefully we'll see some of that tonight. >> it would be great if one question was ask
no one's talking about what we're going to do in the next couple years. usually it's the other way around with politicians. neither romney nor obama has told people here's how your life will be better if i'm elected president. >> or harder. >> there are some sacrifices, but those sacrifices are supposed to make it better. >> but we talked last night, mark, about candidates and leaders that tell the truth and how the truth works. but yet that doesn't seem -- not necessarily...
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at the next debate? we'll talk to his campaign's vice chairwoman, next. this is msnbc. >>> well, mitt romney is not backing off of his attacks of president obama's economic policies, no matter what the latest jobs report says. he told a florida crowd last night that the president is out of ideas and says wednesday's debate proved that. >> he got a chance to explain his jobs program. how he's going to create new jobs in america. did you hear what he had to say? i didn't either. i kept looking for a specific plan as to what he was going to do to create jobs. i heard more of the same, stimulus, hiring more government workers, raising taxes. those things don't create jobs, they cost jobs. >> joining me now is illinois democratic congresswoman jan schakowsky. she is also vice chair of the president's re-election campaign. and congressman, before i get to those jobs numbers, "the new yorker" has a cover, i'm sure you've seen, depicting mitt romney debating an empty podium, which, of course is a commentary on p
at the next debate? we'll talk to his campaign's vice chairwoman, next. this is msnbc. >>> well, mitt romney is not backing off of his attacks of president obama's economic policies, no matter what the latest jobs report says. he told a florida crowd last night that the president is out of ideas and says wednesday's debate proved that. >> he got a chance to explain his jobs program. how he's going to create new jobs in america. did you hear what he had to say? i didn't either. i...
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romney is going to get some elevation just by standing on stage next to barack obama. if he ends up putting a performance that is not zinger filled, that contrasts with our expectations and ends up looking pretty good uch there, there will be a lot of people who say he won the debate. >> mitt romney goes into the debate at a 52% favorability rating with voters. mitt romney at a 42% favorability rating. i don't know how he makes that up in 90 minutes of a debate. >> thank you for joining us. >> thanks lawrence. >> snack cakes. >>> coming up, the 47% effect. new polls show just how much the tapes have hert mitt romney. and he was caught in a lie today about his secret tax returns. >>> and in voter suppression news, a big win for voters in a pennsylvania courtroom today. and in the rewrite, the only way mitt romney can win the debate, it was all laid out for him by the best republican presidential debater ever, who was of course a fictional character in the t.v. series olaf's pizza palace gets the most rewards of any small business credit card! pizza!!!!! [ garth ] olaf's
romney is going to get some elevation just by standing on stage next to barack obama. if he ends up putting a performance that is not zinger filled, that contrasts with our expectations and ends up looking pretty good uch there, there will be a lot of people who say he won the debate. >> mitt romney goes into the debate at a 52% favorability rating with voters. mitt romney at a 42% favorability rating. i don't know how he makes that up in 90 minutes of a debate. >> thank you for...
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thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. there's breaking political news this hour. as previously uncirculated or not widely circulated tape of president obama on the one side and vice presidential nominee paul ryan on the other side have both been posted online tonight in typical, late in the campaign, october surprise, boy do we have a bomb shell fashion. first on the right at the tucker carlson website, the right wing sirens blaring excitement tonight is for the same kind of tape they have tried to make bomb shells out of the last three times we have gone through this in the election cycle. over and over and over again, the right has tried to make huge news not out of something president obama has done as president but out after a big unveiling, a big, giant, coordinated round of attention for something from president obama's supposedly secret past. this spring it was the glen beck website dousing themselves in gasoline and pulling the fire alarm over video of president obama speaking as a law student at harvard. video at
thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. there's breaking political news this hour. as previously uncirculated or not widely circulated tape of president obama on the one side and vice presidential nominee paul ryan on the other side have both been posted online tonight in typical, late in the campaign, october surprise, boy do we have a bomb shell fashion. first on the right at the tucker carlson website, the right wing sirens blaring excitement tonight is for the same kind...
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if what we saw tonight is what we see in the next two debates, president obama is going to be in serious trouble. how is this going to play in ohio? he has to make the case to the middle class that he's headed in the right direction with the economy. >> not one time did he say i want the american people to know we've added private-sector jobs for the last 30 months and we're headed in the right direction. how hard is that to say? is that hard? >> ezra klein is coming up to check some of the money numbers that we did hear tonight. we're mad about the numbers that were not articulated as we check the one that were. our live coverage of the first presidential debate. stay with us. >> this tax plan. and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big bold idea is, never mind. >> we'll focus on getting the cost of health care down. if the president, tore re-elected you'll see a $1706 million lost to medicare. i'll restore the 716 billion to medicare. >> mitt romney closed the debate with a list and numbers and what sounded like a lot of detail given that he's been criticized by
if what we saw tonight is what we see in the next two debates, president obama is going to be in serious trouble. how is this going to play in ohio? he has to make the case to the middle class that he's headed in the right direction with the economy. >> not one time did he say i want the american people to know we've added private-sector jobs for the last 30 months and we're headed in the right direction. how hard is that to say? is that hard? >> ezra klein is coming up to check...
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obama supporter governor martin o'malley will be here next. plus a preview of the day on wall street. first today's trivia question. since televised debate began in 1960, how many times has colorado not voted for the presidential winner? the first correct answer gets a follow up thursday. >>> you know, four years ago we were going through a major crisis. and yet, my faith and confidence in the americans' future is undiminished. >> i'm concerned about the direction america has been taking over the last four years. >> four years ago i said i'm not a perfect man and i won be a perfect president. that's probably a promise governor romney thinks i kept. i also said i would promise every day on behalf of the american people. >> there's no question in my mind if the president is elected you'll see a middle class squeeze with incomes going down and prices going up. >> that was last night's closing statements. we merged them together. it was a microcosm of how the two men handled the night. mitt romney was passionate and energetic. the president was su
obama supporter governor martin o'malley will be here next. plus a preview of the day on wall street. first today's trivia question. since televised debate began in 1960, how many times has colorado not voted for the presidential winner? the first correct answer gets a follow up thursday. >>> you know, four years ago we were going through a major crisis. and yet, my faith and confidence in the americans' future is undiminished. >> i'm concerned about the direction america has...
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because michelle obama agreed to marry me. happy anniversary. next year we won't be celebrating in front of 40 million people. mild chuckle. romney, congratulations mr. president on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most place you could imagine here with me. it was a great line from romney, not known to be funny. >> from the start, i think he picked up. he was able to work than extraordinarily confident fashion. he came in against tight, as mr. lipton indicated he owned that moment, owned that stage. he wanted to own obama with all of those troubling consequences, and he did so, i think, because he presumed that he would tell his facts, he would tell his truth, he would do it with vigor, and you can study every master, you connect emotionally, articulate your viewpoint and people believe in perception of your command. last night he was unquestioned in terms of his supremacy. >> that was significant. while romney was freely contradicting all of the previous romneys, he was unchallenged. unchallenged by the moderator. and
because michelle obama agreed to marry me. happy anniversary. next year we won't be celebrating in front of 40 million people. mild chuckle. romney, congratulations mr. president on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most place you could imagine here with me. it was a great line from romney, not known to be funny. >> from the start, i think he picked up. he was able to work than extraordinarily confident fashion. he came in against tight, as mr. lipton indicated he owned that moment,...
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up next, two tapes cause a stir on the eve of the presidential debates. one from the right on president obama and one from the left on paul ryan. will either have an impact? al sharp top is going to join me. plus, joe biden a sex symbol? i'm going to talk to politico's -- they're dancing on the set. we're going to talk about this with jonathan allen, who says vice president biden is bringing sexy back to the medicare crowd and what do you think? we want to hear from you. do you think one of the candidates will deliver a knockout punch? you can tweet me and we'll get some of your responses. i can't believe you're missing chris and joy dancing. [ female announcer ] ready for a taste of what's hot? check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. >>> on the day of the presidential debate, two tapes from the past are creating talking points on both sides of the aisle. from the right, a 2007 tape that news org
up next, two tapes cause a stir on the eve of the presidential debates. one from the right on president obama and one from the left on paul ryan. will either have an impact? al sharp top is going to join me. plus, joe biden a sex symbol? i'm going to talk to politico's -- they're dancing on the set. we're going to talk about this with jonathan allen, who says vice president biden is bringing sexy back to the medicare crowd and what do you think? we want to hear from you. do you think one of the...
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. >>> up next, president obama spent a lot of time looking at his notes. he must have known about -- james lipton joins us for a review of how the actors perform. this is "hardball," the place for politics and theater tonight. [ feedback ] attention, well, everyone. you can now try snapshot from progressive free for 30 days. just plug this into your car, and your good driving can save you up to 30%. you could even try it without switching your insurance. why not give it a shot? carry on. now you can test-drive snapshot before you switch. visit progressive.com today. >>> i've got some new poll numbers in some key senate races today. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. in connecticut a quinnipiac poll shows republican linda mcmahon with a one-point lead over democrat chris murphy in that senate race for the seat held by joe lieberman. mcmahon, 48%, murphy, 47%. i think she just went ahead. in missouri senator claire mccaskill six points over republican todd akin. explained by the fact that libertarian candidate has got nine. that's valuable information th
. >>> up next, president obama spent a lot of time looking at his notes. he must have known about -- james lipton joins us for a review of how the actors perform. this is "hardball," the place for politics and theater tonight. [ feedback ] attention, well, everyone. you can now try snapshot from progressive free for 30 days. just plug this into your car, and your good driving can save you up to 30%. you could even try it without switching your insurance. why not give it a...
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today is the obama's 20th wedding anniversary and barack is spending it talking to some guy? >> i'm s.e. cupp, that plus mortal -- mortal political combat meets presidential politics. yeah, we are going there. >> get ready for a special edition of "the cycle" on this debate wednesday, october 3rd. it starts right now. >>> it is debate day at the university of denver. as i said, we are just six hours away. you know, when i think of major events in denver, i always think of don meredith you can the old monday night football broadcaster who said, welcome to the city that's mile high and so am i. i'm not high the way don was but high with excitement in anticipation for this debate tonight. we have been waiting, it seems, for months for this thing. let's set the stage before we get going. you know, sometimes i think the cliche cliches are true. this is one of them. we heard talk about how? a do-or-die for mitt romney n a lot of ways it really is. there are basically three possible outcomes, the way i see it tonight. someone that romney really does get some kind of a lift out of th
today is the obama's 20th wedding anniversary and barack is spending it talking to some guy? >> i'm s.e. cupp, that plus mortal -- mortal political combat meets presidential politics. yeah, we are going there. >> get ready for a special edition of "the cycle" on this debate wednesday, october 3rd. it starts right now. >>> it is debate day at the university of denver. as i said, we are just six hours away. you know, when i think of major events in denver, i always...
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if what we saw tonight is what we see in the next two debates, president obama is going to be in serious trouble. how is this going to play in ohio? he has to make the case to the middle class that he's headed in the right direction with the economy. >> not one time did he say i want the american people to know we've added private-sector jobs for the last 30 months and we're headed in the right direction. how hard is that to say? is that hard? >> ezra klein is coming up to check some of the money numbers that we did hear tonight. we're mad about the numbers that were not articulated as we check the one that were. our live coverage of the first presidential debate. stay with us. >> this tax plan. and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big bold idea is, never mind. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneur's dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ how do you help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ or
if what we saw tonight is what we see in the next two debates, president obama is going to be in serious trouble. how is this going to play in ohio? he has to make the case to the middle class that he's headed in the right direction with the economy. >> not one time did he say i want the american people to know we've added private-sector jobs for the last 30 months and we're headed in the right direction. how hard is that to say? is that hard? >> ezra klein is coming up to check...
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he's going to have to change that dynamic in the next debate. >> okay. as we watch the performance last night, meghan, mitt romney was aggressive and jim lehrer lost control with mitt romney taking over. take a look. >> we have training programs, balancing the budget and helping small business. those are the cornerstones of my plan. but the president mentioned a couple other ideas i'll just note. first education. i agree, education is key, particularly the future of our -- the president began this segment so i get the last word. >> you get the first word in the next segment. >> he gets the first word of that segment, let me just make that comment. i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i like pbs and big bird, and i like you, too, but i'm not going to keep spending on money to borrow money from china to pay for it. let me mention the other one. >> no, let's not. >> your time is up, sir. >> i have five seconds before he interrupted me. >> was it an aggressive approach on mitt romney's part on just the right tone? >> i think mitt romney was
he's going to have to change that dynamic in the next debate. >> okay. as we watch the performance last night, meghan, mitt romney was aggressive and jim lehrer lost control with mitt romney taking over. take a look. >> we have training programs, balancing the budget and helping small business. those are the cornerstones of my plan. but the president mentioned a couple other ideas i'll just note. first education. i agree, education is key, particularly the future of our -- the...
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. >>> up next president obama spent a lot of time looking at his notes. he must have known about -- james lipton joins us for a review of how the actors perform. this is "hardball," the place for politics and theater tonight. . >>> i've got some new poll numbers in some key senate races today. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. in connecticut a poll shows republican linda mcmahon with a one-point lead over democrat chris murphy in that senate race for the seat held by joe lieberman. mcmahon, 48%, murphy, 47%. i think she just went ahead. in missouri senator claire mccaskill six points over republican todd akin. explained by the fact that libertarian candidate has got nine. that's valuable information there. look at this, in arizona a new ppp poll there shows democrat richard carmona, the former surgeon general of the united states, leading congressman jeff flake by two in the race to replace senator jon kyl. it's carmona, 45%, flake, 43%. i guess plak is not a good name for a candidate. we'll be right back. flake is noe for a candidate. we'll be right
. >>> up next president obama spent a lot of time looking at his notes. he must have known about -- james lipton joins us for a review of how the actors perform. this is "hardball," the place for politics and theater tonight. . >>> i've got some new poll numbers in some key senate races today. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. in connecticut a poll shows republican linda mcmahon with a one-point lead over democrat chris murphy in that senate race for...
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that's the next big moment for them to really change what we're seeing so far, which is that obama is right now leading in a way. he's leading by almost as much he was leading in 2008 right now which is very surprising considering how close this campaign has been most of the time. >> i know exactly the article. it's right here. look at all the yellow high highlighting stuff i got in this article. what is the general theme, perry, being struck by the president's team on all this? how much debate prep is he actually doing? >> i'll be honest. i love the reporters who wrote that article, they're good reporters, i don't necessarily believe the fact. the president is saying he doesn't have time to debate. he's very busy. i have no doubt he's very busy. that said, the obama campaign knows these debates could be the only chance romney has left. so i have no doubt the president's been studying very carefully how to answer. what they're saying is they're trying to make sure the president is known for being a little long-winded. they want to make sure to keep him short and make sure his answers
that's the next big moment for them to really change what we're seeing so far, which is that obama is right now leading in a way. he's leading by almost as much he was leading in 2008 right now which is very surprising considering how close this campaign has been most of the time. >> i know exactly the article. it's right here. look at all the yellow high highlighting stuff i got in this article. what is the general theme, perry, being struck by the president's team on all this? how much...
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i don't think you'll see the same barack obama. i think it's very clear that the campaign and the president regret having not pushed back on the debate stage on certain things mitt romney said. the president was very aggressive on the stump the next morning saying he wasn't telling the truth, i was surprised to see this version of mitt romney show up. you're going to hear a lot of that. it's a little harder to do when you're not before 58 million viewers in prime time or whatever the number ended up being. but i think that's what they're going to be doing going into the next debate and i think that is what you will see the president do on the stage in new york on october 16th. >> thank you very much for being here tonight. >>> coming up, mitt romney says he wants to make it possible for every state to do what massachusetts did with health care. but if he's elected, he'll make it impossible for any of them to do it. i'll explain it with one of the architects of romney care. >>> and later the crafty political ad steve martin has done
i don't think you'll see the same barack obama. i think it's very clear that the campaign and the president regret having not pushed back on the debate stage on certain things mitt romney said. the president was very aggressive on the stump the next morning saying he wasn't telling the truth, i was surprised to see this version of mitt romney show up. you're going to hear a lot of that. it's a little harder to do when you're not before 58 million viewers in prime time or whatever the number...
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. >>> first, you've seen had them in obama campaign adds targeting governor romney. now former workers from bain are stumping for the president ahead of wednesday's first debate. i'll speak to one of them next. as always join in our conversation. find us on twitter @thomas a. roberts. or get the yard ready for cool an energy weather?n to size? the answer? a lot less. the great american fix-up is going on now... ...with new projects every week and big savings every day. so you can do what needs to be done. today. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. right now, owens corning ecotouch attik insulation is only $11.87 a roll. but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation and self-contained recycling systems... ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint and respecting wildlife. america's natural gas... domestic, abundant, clean
. >>> first, you've seen had them in obama campaign adds targeting governor romney. now former workers from bain are stumping for the president ahead of wednesday's first debate. i'll speak to one of them next. as always join in our conversation. find us on twitter @thomas a. roberts. or get the yard ready for cool an energy weather?n to size? the answer? a lot less. the great american fix-up is going on now... ...with new projects every week and big savings every day. so you can do...
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. >>> up next, president obama spent a lot of time looking at his notes. he must have known about -- james lipton joins us for a review of how the actors perform. this is "hardball," the place for politics and theater tonight. ally bank. why they have a raise your rate cd. tonight our guest, thomas sargent. nobel laureate in economics, and one of the most cited economists in the world. professor sargent, can you tell me what cd rates will be in two years? no. if he can't, no one can. that's why ally has a raise your rate cd. ally bank. your money needs an ally. >>> i've got some new poll numbers in some key senate races today. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. in connecticut a quinnipiac poll shows republican linda mcmahon with a one-point lead over democrat chris murphy in that senate race for the seat held by joe lieberman. mcmahon, 48%, murphy, 47%. i think she just went ahead. in missouri senator claire mccaskill six points over republican todd akin. explained by the fact that libertarian candidate has got nine. that's valuable information there.
. >>> up next, president obama spent a lot of time looking at his notes. he must have known about -- james lipton joins us for a review of how the actors perform. this is "hardball," the place for politics and theater tonight. ally bank. why they have a raise your rate cd. tonight our guest, thomas sargent. nobel laureate in economics, and one of the most cited economists in the world. professor sargent, can you tell me what cd rates will be in two years? no. if he can't, no...